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  • Elliott Back

    3 years ago

    I'm going to leave this commentary as a comment, but I absolutely cannot stand the new operating system. What's up MSFT? Come on!! Longhorn Beta 1 looks like Windows XP with a translucent skin? Where's the cool UI system you talked about? Where's the long-delayed winFS? Where is one single feature that makes Lonhorn stand out?
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  • John Pope

    3 years ago

    Just goes to show that there is such a thing as too much transparency.

    The oddest thing is the position of the menus in IE7, beneath the address bar, and the tabs - very strange!
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  • david

    3 years ago

    I could see using some transparency on any inactive windows, but they seem to do it on the active one as well?? Also, the 'blur' effect is really a strain on the eyes.

    There's also too much going on in the windows, in too many different fonts/styles. Hard to pick up on what's important. I hope this isn't the best they try to muster against OSX! All the hardcore gamers will stick with XP, and no businesses will upgrade for this stuff (they'll stay on 98SE! :) ).
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  • El Payo

    3 years ago

    crickets chirping
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  • J3777o

    3 years ago

    Uh, why on earth should the GUI have to look diffrent in order for you to like it?
    Every version of OSX looks almost exactly the same as the others. When is the last time you seen a radically visually diffrent verson of Linux? It seems like you guys are looking for improved eye-candy or maybe just an excuse to bash Microsoft not a serious OS improvement.
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  • escher

    3 years ago

    you can put polish on a piece of shit, but you'll just end up with a shiny piece of shit.
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  • Aldirn

    3 years ago

    THANK YOU, J3777o. I agree wholeheartedly.
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  • MaW

    3 years ago

    I see Microsoft are still incapable of recognising the value of UI consistency, and thus Windows Media Player still looks completely out of place (in fact it looks even worse than it does on XP thanks to the quite nice greyness of Longhorn). But then, perhaps that will change before release.

    I think they can definitely be accused of overuse of transparency though. I can't be convinced right now that it's more than eye candy as opposed to useful visual effects.
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  • Farmer John

    3 years ago

    It looks pretty lame! And the transparency is confusing, not cool looking.
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  • dmf

    3 years ago

    So, basically, it's a new wallpaper that is supposed to be kewl?

    The UI itself is an improvement over XP, but not over Win2K. Just a little more Xwindows-ish. Sort of. But nothing worth telling your grandma about.

    Again, a new wallpaper. Yay. Or something.
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  • Gravitar

    3 years ago

    I think it looks great. What exactly are you guys looking for? Widgets? Windows that make sound effects when you minimize them, and shrink themselves with a cool animation. I'm not getting the complaints at all. If Microsoft had redone the whole UI I'm sure many of you would get on their case for that as well.
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  • Anonymous

    3 years ago

    Keep in mind the UI is hardly in its final form. Beta 2 will have several UI improvements (especially the taskbar).
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  • BoxcarBill

    3 years ago

    does anyone else find it funny that they're looking at linux-noob?
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  • Adrian

    3 years ago

    J3777o: Apple innovate with every release. They try things, they do things differently. Microsoft wait for others to innovate, copy the idea, lie about how good / close to completion their implementation is and then release something that is in most cases worse than the previous version.
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  • Adrian

    3 years ago

    Dear J3777o
    "When is the last time you seen a radically visually diffrent verson of Linux? " - Oh you jest?
    There are about 12 different Window Managers for Linux and each one of them is radically different but then you've never actually seen them have you.
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  • LS

    3 years ago

    Despite all the complaints I see here, there are reasons besides eye candy for adding features to a UI. The biggest feature touted for Avalon is (was?) vector graphics. I can't tell from the images here whether this has been implemented or not. What this means is that the GUI widgets are not images, but are instead drawn in real-time. What this means for you is that the UI will look the same no matter what the resolution. If you have a monitor that is 6000x6000 pixels, the size of the objects on screen will be the same, but they will just be sharper. This paves the way for virtually infinite resolution displays, and allows programmers not to worry about some details of screen size. OS X already has this capability. In fact, it is based on PDF, which supports vector based graphics.
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  • Dave

    3 years ago

    I've noticed that they have placed a "How to Report a Bug" button on the Desktop. How much do you want to bet that one gets grossly overused?
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  • YakuYakkePepe

    3 years ago

    Good to see that ol' MS Paint is keepin' up with the times!
    http://elliottback.com/wp/wp-content/lh106wh.png
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  • Jason

    3 years ago

    RE: John Hope :- IE7 Menus

    Actually what happened to all the menus?
    Previous versions of Windows seem to have a menu for every open window.

    What now?
    Buttons and Tabs aplenty or maybe heavy reliance on contextual menus.

    Wonder if there is a way to set transparency levels, especially in the active window.
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  • Jaryd

    3 years ago

    I wish people would get over the OS rivalry thing, just use the one they like and leave the rest of us in Peas.
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  • dav

    3 years ago

    RE: Keep in mind the UI is hardly in its final form. Beta 2 will have several UI improvements (especially the taskbar).

    Exactly. Can we just define "Beta" again? Wasn't that the stage when the system design was mostly finished and the bug hunting and fine-tuning began? Microsoft seems to change stuff, BIG stuff, around until the very last release candidate. And they still leave a lot of stuff to be desired in the final versions. They should decide on ONE design at the beginning of the process and use their time to put that one design into code, instead of fiddling around with a crippled system until it's unusable.
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  • Czubin Mark

    3 years ago

    I think the people at microsoft forgot all about first impressions...
    Why would anyone actually pay to upgrade just to see some more gui enhancements.

    Just think about the youth.. they probably got copies of it already.
    People should really look at the new functionality behind the graphical interface.
    And keeping most tools the same makes it easier for people to migrate, think about system administrators, about your grandmother...

    Still I'm cheering for the linux side and hope we can kick them in the balls next year :)
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  • Paul

    3 years ago

    Oh jesus stop whinging its a BETA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • E Boy

    3 years ago

    You guys ill end up buying the next version of Longhorn anyway. I'm sure its gots some good things that would make it a much better OS than XP, just as XP was better than ME and so on and so forth. Hell even I'll buy it myself.

    But then all these things that are being released with Longhorn, I'm already using with Tiger!
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  • nadim

    3 years ago

    Amazing, you anti MS lot have no idea of whats coming up...First there will be a big surprise....this is Beta 1, so trust me MS are not gonna let you see everything....for those who dont know what a beta is i'll spare myself...Second the new UI (Areo) is based on Avalon, and Avalon is still being developed..Longhorn is coming...........................
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  • Anon

    3 years ago

    Yeah...I agree with Paul
    I too, hate it when Jesus starts whinging.

    Whiney bastard.
    *owwww owwww the nails! Oww! Why father!? Why!*
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  • Dean Pierce

    3 years ago

    Meh, I think it looks pretty nice. Its a bit late in the game, but they are going in the right direction. This combined with the new shell and winfs might actually turn windows into a modern operating system.

    Im still never going to use it, but if they had a nice package manager, better integrated developers tools, a nice firewall system at least as powerful as iptables, and maybe a version that doesnt assume that the user is retarded (home for the grandma, pro for the accountant, and tech for the gamer etc) then they would really be able to fully establish themselves in their current market.
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  • Samo

    3 years ago

    So, uhm, Microsoft is spending its time developing new Windows XP themes. Well, .. uhm.. yay?
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  • neonide

    3 years ago

    Why use windows at all these days?
    oh yeah, now I remember.
    one single application: counter-strike
    Other than that I'm sticking with my new powerbook!!!
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  • Rodrigo Strauss

    3 years ago

    Looks like KDE
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  • XKJ

    3 years ago

    Take me as a new customer. I've already bought XP and I am happy with it. XP can run all my stuff. Thus when my technical department publishes a report on whether my company should upgrade to Longhorn. They say yes, we should.

    Then I find out that nothing except the visual effects improve, whereas the same hardware, when used with XP, runs faster due to less taxing resource usage. I will personally fire all my technical staff.

    Then take me as a person with more clue. Namely a technical staff, who is ok with both windows and linux. After seeing Longhorn Beta, I know that the differences are minimal. I will not take the money to buy Longhorn, nor will I risk my job recommending Longhorn. I will save more by sticking to XP. But in no time Microsoft will do the "stop upgrading process" and kill XP. I can only migrate to Linux. I am forced. I am unhappy.

    The Linux party has won another bit of time to play catch up. Business or not, it is only ethical to establish a development process as the people want it, and that is designs first, bug-fixing later. Not both at the same time. IE suffered the same fate. That is the biggest reason why people migrate to Firefox. Microsoft knows it. They have system that is so flawed they simply can only continue to bluff themselves. By virtue of good reputation, Linux will only extend its reach.

    Note that none of my points include whining. It is all logic. Nobody can hold on by relying on market failure alone. And those who state that we nay-sayers are just being ourselves, take a look at your own posts. Which one has more logic than "You guys ill end up buying the next version of Longhorn anyway. I'm sure its gots some good things that would make it a much better OS than XP, just as XP was better than ME and so on and so forth. Hell even I'll buy it myself." Are you sure? a Beta is a Beta, and it is used to let users preview important parts of a system.

    Finally, we linux advocates will only continue to be so. We are not happy that the society is being cheated as a whole for choosing to maintain compatibility. We will use common sense, and beseech people to make the right decision, not things like "Yeah…I agree with Paul
    I too, hate it when Jesus starts whinging.

    Whiney bastard.
    *owwww owwww the nails! Oww! Why father!? Why!* " and "I wish people would get over the OS rivalry thing, just use the one they like and leave the rest of us in Peas." Because it has no content and it doesn't help the fact that we are an oppressed lot, oppressed by people who want only to maintain compatibility, depriving us of a better choice. And using broken English doesn't help make you look professional too.

    PS: This is not meant to be a flame-bait nor a directional thing. Linux advocates have all tasted enough of this, and I am only using what you said to prove how we are oppressed. It may be a strong word to say oppress but that is just the word I think is ok for this. Please do not reply to this post because I will disappear. Thank you for reading so much.
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  • 1c3d0g

    3 years ago

    @ Anon: you're a fucking idiot! I'll break your skull if we ever met on the street...

    The new shots are looking pretty good, however that's not enough to persuade most people (and especially large companies) to switch to Longhorn. M$ needs to tackle bigger issues like how to effectively incorporate their anti-virus and anti-spyware products into the core of the O.S. etc. People are more worried about these things taking the hell over than looking for nice eye-candy, which frankly speaking, Linux (and KDE especially) is better at it than anyone else, including Apple.
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  • Andrew

    3 years ago

    It doesn't matter that the only new thing is a lame theme for Windows XP. Most people will still buy it because it's made by Microsoft.
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  • sloppy joppy

    3 years ago

    ..this is a joke right??? ..ms has some explaining to do ...how many years they have been working on this?? ..they have done NOTHING!!! ...hahahaha!!! what a joke MS is ..these guys are a big joke ..NOBODY is going to buy this new os (that is if they ever release it)
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  • T}-{ê Sÿ§të/¥\ R!ÐУeR

    3 years ago

    windows XP with new icons and wallpaper with a bit of transparency.
    ok i like the task bar and its colours but thats about it i think i will be stickin with my XP
    hope that thay will make a good windows for the slower comps some time later that would be good
    long live 98SE! hehe
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  • Feenix

    3 years ago

    You lot really seem to be retarded. Why should the DESKTOP look any different? Is that what you desire, a new desktop? Doesn't matter what goes on in the inside?

    It's BETA. Naturally there's a "report bug" button for BETA TESTERS. Doh!

    I could take screensohts of Longhorn looking exactly like XP. Then you would go on about "it's exactly the same OS", since you lot don't understand anything abut OS's. It's not the UI, it's what's on the inside.

    And the person who commented that there are about 12 different window managers in Linux: so what? The original point was: why should the UI look different in every version. So, is kwm different in every version? awm? WindowMaker? Why should they be?
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  • me

    3 years ago

    Gotta love #4!
    Subliminal ad for Firefox, Redhat Linux link, and a profane website!

    Yee-haw!
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  • Crash

    3 years ago

    I think they should give the start button a new shape instead of the same one as xp. Then when you click the start menu the menu will come up in the form of a torndo or something similar to give it a new feel complete;y different from xp
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  • Crash

    3 years ago

    that's tornado whoops
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  • mr peterson

    3 years ago

    this is awsome!!!! where can i buy one??? yeah, so pretty much this longhorn is a big waste huh?
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  • Nimdae

    3 years ago

    Wow, we infer from screenshots that Longhorn is a prettier XP. That's amazing. Maybe my browser isn't working properly and the interactive part showing off the underlying features aren't working? I dunno, but while the screenshots look like a prettier XP, there's so much more going on with Longhorn that we can't see here.

    Longhorn has a lot of new technology going into it, including the GUI subsystems. While the GUI has been recoded, why should it look different from the familiar Windows interface? There is a new kernel, filesystem enhancements, and lots of other things going into longhorn that you can't see in these pictures. Until you actually TRY Longhorn and read the information on how it's improved, I would reserve judgement since the screenshots only tell us how it looks. Also, who's to say the person taking the screenshots didn't change some of the visual features, such as removing the dock or enabling the transparency?

    Personally, I would like to see some information and possibly demonstration, and definately receive some handson before I form an opinion about Longhorn. I don't care if it looks like a prettier XP as long as it works better than XP.
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  • Elliott Back

    3 years ago

    Hello 50,000 slashdotters so far. I'm sorry to make you load outrageous png files, so I've converted these all to nice jpg. Enjoy!
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  • Juca

    3 years ago

    Why people and companies should upgrade to Longhorn when XP is good enough?
    The most important thinks are already in XP. And there aren't any innovative feature to justify the bill.
    People will learn that installing add-on like Copernic CDS, Windows Blinds and others can do the same or more than Longhorn.
    And M$ will see the non-estusiastic users staying with XP. And don't forget the Open Source pressure.
    Microsoft will not sink. But it's pie will shrink in the next years.
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  • Dare

    3 years ago

    IT'S NOT BETA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • hisyam

    3 years ago

    they should call it "windows transparencies"
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  • Ellery

    3 years ago

    Excellent screenshots.... looks like MS spend some time usability testing. Can't wait to use it. But, why is the person using IE? Quick! Get firefox in there!!
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  • Lemon

    3 years ago

    Uh.. uh... !!! I can hardly wait for the next .CRAP release for the new and improved version of windows... Think of the lots of brand new bugs, workarounds, tricks and headaches that come with it. I would pay a zillion bucks for it. Way to go Microsoft...

    "you can put polish on a piece of shit, but you'll just end up with a shiny piece of shit. " - I strongly agree
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  • osu9400

    3 years ago

    Nothing earth shattering here. I will hold my judgement for beta 2, MS has stated visible improvments will begin to materialize in beta 2.

    The XP interface works really and is efficient. They don't need to stray too far form the basics. However, the task bar is really tired and needs a face-lift.

    WMP11 could use a kick in the pants also.

    IE7 has been dicussed to death on these forums, so I won't touch it.

    Again, hold your judgement for the next beta.
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  • Edward

    3 years ago

    I have to say the comments here are more disappointing than the screen shots. These are PICTURES guys, this in no way reflects how the OS runs. You cannot tell if this is a solid OS or not from a picture.
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  • Vanadaar

    3 years ago

    XP is the last version of Windows I buy. Everything from these screens is a ripoff or something else, and all the neat features (winfs/new shell/etc) are not going to make it into the first release. Micrsoft is falling behind, the sooner people realize that the sooner innovation can move on.
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  • Tom

    3 years ago

    XP + new theme = Longhorn
    IE6 + tabs = IE7
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  • DizzYGuY

    3 years ago

    Is there somewhere where I can download the Longhorn 5203 beta yet???
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  • Phillip

    3 years ago

    A large majority of the comments here are posted by complete and utter fuckwit kiddies. Transparency is an Option. The 3d enviroment desktop is an Option, Infact the only option that is not an option in longhorn is classic mode (or windows 2k theme).

    But it seems little of you know anything of what is in long horn, such as the new harddrive format for security, the improved networking options, and the new simplicity of getting it working is a huge improvement over windows xp.

    Before you newbies bash MS for the way its interfance looks and how Apple is so much better, http://www.aresluna.org/guidebook/guis/macos go look at how Apple looks exactly the same with the improved eye candy over time.

    Linux is dying, the sooner you relise that, the sooner you can help the world get rid of hackers who give MS a bad name in the first place. Because we all know, if everyone who hacked MS hacked linux, linux would have just as bad name as MS.
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  • Phillip

    3 years ago

    Btw, Vanadaar, Apple has ripped off its fair share of GUI features, just like linux has ripped off its entire GUI to entice users to move to it instead of windows. Every website is ripped from somewhere else. The sooner you relise how much of a dumbarse you are, the sooner the worlds average IQ can grow.
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  • Nimdae

    3 years ago

    Something I just noticed...what's the source on these screenshots? I couldn't find any articles or anything related to them. Anyone can install object desktop and make it pretty and slap a longhorn version info on it. Suddenly I'm not convinced these are legit.
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  • Kyle

    3 years ago

    You all are way too critical. These are all pre-beta 1 screenshots. All the GUI changes and how it looks is done between beta 1 and beta 2. This release it supposted to reflect a completeness in the fundamentals, security and reliability.

    ----- Quote
    All the hardcore gamers will stick with XP, and no businesses will upgrade for this stuff (they'll stay on 98SE! ).
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    I would see that as being a very bad remark. For one, you have never used the system and have no way of knowing its performance. Secondly, gamers would be the first to switch to the new operating system because of one thing... Drivers. Most (if not all) Longhorn drivers have been removed from the kernel, not only making the system super reliable, but making performance better on 3D gaming. Windows XP is reliable, but people still get blue screens. 90% of those blue screens are caused by driver having a problem. Since they're in the kernel, it causes the system to completely crash. In Longhorn, driver errors will cause the driver to fail and Longhorn will just restart that driver. Most of the time, you won't even know it happened. :-)

    Kyle
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  • Jon

    3 years ago

    Elliott, thanks for the great screenshots, but how could someone with his hands on the newest version not know, at a bare minimum, what nearly everyone who can read knows: the major UI features will not be implemented until Beta 2 at the end of the year. That has been said time and time again in the last few months. Beta 1 has very few of the exciting features. We'll have to wait for Beta 2 for those.

    The rest of you are even worse. How can you tell anything from screenshots, anyways? Can you tell how polished the GUI is or how smoothly the windows move? When Beta 2 screenshots come out, will you be able to tell from them how smooth the vector graphics are, how responsive the GUI is or how seamless the combination of 2D and 3D is? Regardless, you'd be amazed at how much is going under the hood that you would never be able to tell from screenshots.

    I know what to expect and when to expect it because I read every Longhorn article that I can find. I get a very strong feeling that most of you get all of your information from forums and screenshots. You'd be amazed at what's going into Longhorn if you'd just read, too. Instead, you just sound like a bunch of kids who don't know what you're talking about.

    Every single one of you will use Longhorn when it's released and be blown away. You'll like how it looks, but you'll love how it moves and operates, what it's capable of and how much better it is than XP. By then, you'll have conveniently forgotten how you made fools of yourself a year and a half ago in forums and blog comments.
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  • Jon

    3 years ago

    Never mind my first paragraph above. I forgot that Elliott didn't take the screenshots, himself.
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  • Nimdae

    3 years ago

    Thanks, Jon, for the overgeneralization of the people that have posted here. I'm actually one of the ones looking forward to the release. While I don't expect much from microsoft, I do hope they don't screw up longhorn. I am, afterall, one of the people that mentioned these are just screenshots, not actual technology previews of what's to come.
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  • Jon

    3 years ago

    Nimdae, yes, I overgeneralized, but those who've posted here who acknowledge that they're only screenshots and who are looking forward to the release are few enough to realize that I'm not referring to them. I agree with you and am looking forward, myself.
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  • Jon

    3 years ago

    FYI, read the two paragraphs under "Short Takes" at the following link for very interesting stuff:

    http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/4...
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  • Christopher Estep

    3 years ago

    Basing opinions on screenshots is *screwball*. I *never* stated my opinion of any OS based on screenshots. Instead, I got my hands dirty and *installed* the OS on hardware that I personally have control of (read: own) and ran the OS around my personal usability track until it threw up, and then ran it some more. And in my case, this has involved several Linux distributions, Solaris 10, various flavors of BSD, and three previous builds of Longhorn (4029, 4058, and 5048). An operating system can be said to pass my usability test if:

    1. It runs on and supports my existing hardware and applications (including quite a few games).

    2. It runs as well as, or better than, what I am running as my primary operating system today (Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005).

    So far, not ONE operating system that is available today (and yes, that includes Longhorn) has passed my usability test.

    Usability, not features that I won't use or eye-candy, determines whether or not I will buy an upgrade to my operating system.

    Longhorn *will* be fully skinnable, just as Windows XP and 2000 are today. (Per joint press release from Microsoft and Stardock)

    Longhorn will support RSS, a feature I will actually use. (Per comments on Channel 9, the MSDN blog.)

    Windows Indexing Service does NOT rely on WinFS, and is present and accounted for. (My own mini-review of build 5048 on Neowin.)

    Sheesh.
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  • Haffy

    3 years ago

    BoxcarBill: I am. Why do they even have that site up?
    And why does they have all those stylich shit?
    To run Longhorn you vill need allot of computer power.
    Why doesent they try to make the Xwindow to be faster?
    Anyway, thanx for OSX.
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  • AnAngelsDream

    3 years ago

    My god people, stop bitching. Have any of you actually tried this Beta? It's actually quite stable and there are *MANY* more enchancements than the simple UI stuff you see in this limited selection of screenshots. Stop complaining that you don't like what it looks like and actually do some research into what MS has developed and is still developing for integration into Longhorn. The UI stuff was just to appease all you bitchy "OMG, it's so boring" people. Everything else is what sells the OS.

    Based upon my experiences so far (this being just one of a series of Longhorn Betas/Alphas) I have worked with, my company will probably make the switch over to Longhorn with our next desktop roll-out after Longhorn's release. We successfully migrated from NT 4.0, to Windows 2000 to Windows XP (including server versions of each OS) after each release and have not looked back. Each OS brings a wide range of improvements both from the client and server sides.

    While we use MS-based software for most work, I have a number of other machines in my office (including AIX UNIX, three variants of Linux, and OS X Tiger) which I use for development purposes, to test cross-compatibility, and to test overall use, etc., but am still sticking with Windows for all operations due to its security (don't bitch at me about it because anyone who knows anything about *nix knows that it's just as insecure as Windows and requires just as much if not more patching than Windows), support, available software, and user-base. I have yet to find anything that even comes close to comparing with MS-based solutions at the enterprise level.
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  • Eli

    3 years ago

    looks good, well... looks different. let's just say i look forward to seeing its final release... sometime fall 2010... or was it 2012...

    either way i anxiously await to hear what problems this version of windows will have...
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  • You said it!

    3 years ago

    Christopher Estep Is a dumbarse
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  • abc

    3 years ago

    The people who whine are probably the reason M$ banned the screenies of a particular build of longhorn (can't remember which). It isn't the look that makes an OS the OS it is, it's the 'under-the-hood' stuff. IF m$ did absolutely no work on the theme, but focused on security, feautres, driver support and the actual coding, then screenshots are useless, and a whole lot more people would be whining. I think that in this case, M$ did both: if you have been reading articles about longhorn as i have, u'll notice that there is quite a lot of new, useful things. IMHO, the skin is nothing. They redesigned it a few times already! take windows XP for example (aka Whistler, at it's development time). I can't think of anyone who really liked their watercolor theme, but hey - the 3 xp-ish themes today are totally different. Besides, any1 can go on sites ( such as themexp ) to download different themes. They aren't that hard to make, really. Therefore, the screenies should not be taken as a finished product look. The beta is released only for driver/hardware developers, who couldn't care less about the theme. Again, it's what's under the hood, what drives the system, not how it looks. And it does look rather nice, no matter what u people say.
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  • arnoct

    3 years ago

    And of course, just because they're screenshots, it _MUST_ mean that there's nothing new in the backend!!!!
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  • Mat

    3 years ago

    As for the UI its great that it's now vector based but I doubt that the everyday use of a computer has been simplified or truly improved. As far as I have heard there is no really great addition that tells me why I need to use Longhorn instead of skinning my XP.
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  • supertivo

    3 years ago

    those screenshots look amazing.
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  • skatterbrain

    3 years ago

    For God's sake (if you believe in that anyway), please tell me they made it easier to TURN OFF the STUPID desktop fade effect via Group Policy? Of the dumbass features. Why it is enabled by default is insane/marketing/pukefest idiocy at it's rawest form. "Yeah, fading is cool. The kids will love it!" (Joe MarketPuke). Translation: slow the machine down and they'll love you even more, cuz it looks nifty!
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  • skatterbrain

    3 years ago

    I'm not impressed. I was eager to dive into LH back at PDC-03 when they touted WinFS and everything else that they've since chopped out to meet some self-imposed deadline. It looks like XP SP3 or W2K3/SP2 or something. Not really a major upgrade. Some spiffy UI enhancements, and more hooks to MSN Music and Shopping, woo-hoo. Who cares. I'm sure that Dell and HP will buy it and it'll ship heavy come the holidays.
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  • psychaotix

    3 years ago

    im gonna hold judgement on longhorn until i see it running in final code. granted i have an ODL version of one of the prereleases, but it isnt enough to pass a definative judgement on. i have also seen beta1 run, and over 96 hours of continual use, it did not fail once on the comp it was running on (2200+ amd with 256Mb ram). that alone is enough to say it may shape to a decent OS.

    all i hope for is for MS to release a cut down version for old PC's as well, sorta like a version with only the critical features enabled. or intergrate a "smart" installer that detects what youre running, and installs the appropriate components
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  • Jon

    3 years ago

    Psychaotix, just as XP has 2 tiers of user experience called Classic mode and XP (Visual Style/Luna) mode, Longhorn will ship with 4. There will be Classic mode (so that Longhorn looks like 2000), some mode a little nicer than that (probably XP-like), then the premier tiers called Aero and Aero Glass which will require DX9 video cards (I think I read somewhere that Aero will require 32MB of video memory and Aero Glass 128MB, but that could change). This makes it very flexible for old and new machines. I'm just taking a guess, but I would imagine that any computer that can run XP well right now will be able to run Longhorn adequately in one of the two lower GUI tiers, at the very least.

    As for other features of the OS, you can very easily disable any services that you don't want running. Just because Microsoft turns them on by default, it doesn't mean that you have to leave them enabled or refuse to upgrade altogether.
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  • MacFanBoy

    3 years ago

    HAHAHAHAHA!! MICROSHAFT ARE THEY STILL GOING?? THAT THING LOOKS DISGUSTING!!!
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  • Logan

    3 years ago

    Thanks for the screenshots, Elliot; looks interesting.
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  • Autie

    3 years ago

    as always, windows is ugly.
    Go for linux people, better screens, better perfomances, better security....
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  • Haffy

    3 years ago

    Go for OS X Tiger people..
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  • Killerfurbies

    3 years ago

    I've been looking at Longhorn on a few different websites. And sure it looks cool, but Microshit promised us WinFS, Avalon, Indigo, Palladium, and a sidebar. The sidebar's gone for good, and I see that Avalon is still there. But as far as I know where the hell is palladium and Indigo!? And Explorer is different, just a tad. Longhorn was supposed to come out in 2004, but now its expected 2006. How long can it possibly take to make change the look of something and slightly modify Explorer?
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  • neutron 7

    3 years ago

    they should not waste space like that in the explorer window! (status bar) WTH is that huge icon for anyways?
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  • tony

    3 years ago

    You guys r kinda stupid. this isnt beta 1. ms said that it wouldnt incorporate all of its GUI in beta 1. remember that these are still builds and there is a 2nd beta coming out in 2006
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  • someone

    3 years ago

    come on! get a MAC!!!
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  • jason

    3 years ago

    Microsoft operating systems are bye for better than mac and linux. Anybody that says otherwise is just hating for the sake of hating.
    Macs arent to bad, there for the idiots. Not all the support Microsoft has but intuitive and user-friendly interface.
    Linux on the otherhand is crap. You practically need a PhD to learn to do anything. Support sucks balls because its primarily open-source and what makes things great is competition (for money). The only good thing about Linux is that its free.
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  • ThunderPeel2001

    3 years ago

    Love it! MS are finally back on track! I can't wait for Longhorn... which more than I can say about ANY other MS release (except maybe 95, but that was a let down). I can't believe I'm actually looking forward to a release of Windows! Well done MicroSoft!

    A tech friend of mine has seen it in action, too. He says the safety features are fantastic, I love the fact that MS are putting useful features ahead of useless, but showy, crap like "active desktop". SP2 rocks! Firewall rocks! Anti-Spyware rocks! Longhorn is gonna rock!

    For all those who like to complain, look at your Macintosh friends: They just spent $$$ on OSX Tiger... only to find out all they got for their money was fast searches and "Dashboard" (a calculator/clock/calender/notepad in one). But they're still lapping it up. Can you IMAGINE how people would react if MS did that?

    It'll be four years since XP came out that Longhorn is released. Long gone are the days of Micro$oft (W95, W98, W98SE and WME in a few short years - screwing over the customer!), I'm surprised to hear myself say that they're doing a really good job!
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  • ThunderPeel2001

    3 years ago

    "Every single one of you will use Longhorn when it's released and be blown away. You'll like how it looks, but you'll love how it moves and operates, what it's capable of and how much better it is than XP. By then, you'll have conveniently forgotten how you made fools of yourself a year and a half ago in forums and blog comments."

    Well said. If any of you complainers knew the first thing about Longhorn you'd be counting the days til its release. It truly ROCKS.
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  • jm

    3 years ago

    What's with the grass? That's temping me to smoke some "grass". And why is the recycle bin a god damn plastic cup? NT 6.0 err.. I mean Longhorn as I expected is probably going to be loaded with more and more bloat and eye candy garbage. Crist, what are you going to *need* to have a friggin Pentium 4 just to load this thing? This is yet another reason not to upgrade past Windows 2000. And Internet Explorer 7, I hope it won't be available on Windows 200. I wouldn't want that garbage on my box anyways. What a shame.
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  • tony

    3 years ago

    woot wooot
    LONGHORN
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  • penguin_strut

    3 years ago

    Not to get involved in one of these unnecessary, somewhat repetitive discussions, but I have a few points I'd like to make.

    1) Flaming people because you feel like you've got more Linux experience than them is ludicrous. At this point in time, one can be extremely versed in MANY different OS's, and mastery of the Windows environment at its base level is no less an achivement than knowing how to set up a few cron jobs. Linux is definately cool, and the ideas it represents even cooler, but to chide someone for working in a Windows environment instead of fumbling around with Linux so that they can feel 133t and impress 13 year-old boys is just stupid.

    2) I agree that Microsoft is NOT the bastion of innovation and design revolutions that it should be, considering the resources at its disposal. However, if not for Microsoft, I can guarantee you that you wouldn't be sittng in front of the nice, fast computer that you are now. Whether or not you consider MS to be innovative, you at LEAST have to admit that their overwhelming force on the market has fostered the competition that has allowed your favorite OS to become what it is today. Without the push to meet and beat Windows standards, I doubt we'd be where we are with home computer usage.

    3) People want many, many different things, and making everyone happy is impossible. That being said, you have some people posting that it doesn't look cool enough, and others posting that they won't have the necessary hardware to run it as is! MS is in the fairly unique position of being the number-one (you can argue all you want, but look at the numbers) desktop for gaming AND business. Meeting the needs of hardcore overclockers and yet making things simple enough for everyone is something that's not expected of ANY other OS. Apple, for instance, is proprietary, and therefore knows that its software will always work. Linux...well, if it's not supported and you're not a driver guru, that's just it. ONLY Windows is expected to be all things to all people, and that's a helluva weight to bear. To work out of the box, on (almost) ANY hardware, and doing so with minimal frustration is something that hardly any other vendor has had to do. ( before you attack, yes, Linux IS dealing with this problem as well, but it's about damned time. Windows was working through these problems more than a decade ago, and succeeding )

    4) Despite all of this, do I think MS is floundering? Yes. Do I think that their goals for Longhorn have become muddled? Yes. Do I think that they would keep it even longer in an attempt to resolve some of these issues if people weren't pushing for release ASAP? Yes. Do I think they would have done better to keep this under wraps until they had a better working foundation? ABSOLUTELY. They've opened themselves up to world of hurt by letting people in on this little secret, but I think AS hardcore users, we owe it to ANY software company to let them do their thing without too much interferance. There's nothing that chaffes my arse worse than people who beg and beg for a beta, and then scoff because it looks incomplete.

    Also...have you ever stopped to think that, in terms of a 2D 32-bit UI, we may have gone just about as far as we're going to, design-wise? I mean, its pretty perfect for mouse + keyboard setups, and you cannot say that the point-n-click interfaces of Windows, Tiger, or Gnome are all THAT different. It makes since to have clickable menus, it makes sense to have expandable menus containing different options, it makes sense to have drag-n-drop. These things won't be dissapearing any time soon, because they're the best solutions to working on a 2d space (at least in the industry's opinion, if not yours). No one expects the industry to reinvent the mouse every quarter, because it works. So what is it that you want? I've got a $500 Nvidia card, and I'd love to see the technology that I was hearing about during the original 3XXX releases. However, short of SM 3.0, I can't think of any way to make buttons any shinier, more transparent, or more interactive than they are now without eating up needless CPU and GPU cycles. So I say f'ck it. Get DesktopX if you want some extra processes running. I'll be sore not to see WinFS and the like, but to tell you the truth, I think part of the Tao of computers is organization (especially in Linux). I don't NEED to be able to cross-reference or search my files (I would doubtless disable the extra features anyway), and for those who DO need to, there are alternate software solutions.

    Sigh...all that being said, I think that Longhorn will flop for its biggest fans. It HAS gotten too bloated and heavy, leaving no room for the more innovative features that the higher-end user has come to expect. This is one of the few definates that the Linux desktop has over Windows; because they don't have the advantage of proprietary hardware (Apple) or a 'sink-or-swim' mentality (Linux), Microsoft can't allow users the UI freedom that we've come to expect from the xWindow system. Again, they have the unique position of trying to attract high-level gamers and modders on the same system that gives Grandma that recognizable start bar that she's come to expect. They've painted themselves into a corner, but it's a 30+ BILLION DOLLAR corner, and while I can't see a way for MS to ever be 'cool' again, I'd take some online flaming for that kinda cash.

    So, yeah...don't knock them simply because they're on top. Linux has thousands of talented, innovative, and certainly opinionated people working on it, and while it's come a LONG way in the last decade, it's STILL in need of work. Lots of it. If the kind of passion that Linux fosters in its users can't fix these lingering UI issues, then what can? It all comes down to the fact that we all want something different, and the most customizable platform will always garner support from those who are looking for optomization and performance. But I don't blame Windows for not wanting to give up their market share to please tweakers like myself. Kill a few processes, install bbLean, and call it a day.
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  • primo

    3 years ago

    What are you waiting for? as FayerWayer says, Tiger vs. Cow? who do you think is better? Switch Apple.
    www.apple.com
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  • primo

    3 years ago

    si!, apple es mejor, hay duda acaso?
    Pd: este link "primo" es el que vale :P
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  • bernard

    3 years ago

    Linux and Mac users have nothing else to do but to complain about windows. What a shame? You guys are free to use any OS you wish, but please keep your mouths shut!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • hªzÆlöx

    3 years ago

    Es cierto que Windows casi siempre le esta compiando a Apple, como dicen en FayerWire.com, "tienen tanto dinero que es raro que no consigan a alguien que les de ideas frescas sobre el GUI.".Como quiera seguire usando Windows no importa si sea Longhorn o XP, me gustan las Mac por su GUI muy cool y son muy economicas, peroaun le puedo sacar jugo a mi Windows XP. ;)
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  • hªzÆlöx

    3 years ago

    Perdon, la pagina es FayerWayer.com.
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  • rjohnstone

    3 years ago

    So all the M$/LH bashers are basing their statements on a few screenshots?!?
    Idiots. Who gives a shit about how it looks right now. I'm more concerned with how it functions. And so far I'm pleased with the FUNCTIONALITY of the LH builds.
    Only Linux and Mac idiots would rate an OS based on eye candy.
    We can see where your priorities are.
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  • Linux haters are morons.

    3 years ago

    "Only Linux and Mac idiots would rate an OS based on eye candy.
    We can see where your priorities are."

    rjohnstone: if you think I prefer command-line computing because of its pretty graphichs, you deserve all the spyware/virii your computer is no doubt infested with. Go back to playing Snood and I'll go back to compiling my kernel to do what I want.

    bernard: please use a few more exclamation points to emphacise your idiocy, Those of you who say that screenshots are meaningless in how an OS runs are correct, but when screenshots are you give us (other than a list of features originally slated Longhorn that won't actually be in Longhorn) what do you expect?

    Give me a version of Windows that:
    a - I don't need to install 3 anti-spyware programs and 2 anti-virus programs on just to survive day-to-day use;
    b - doesn't take up 11 gigs for nothing but itself, ms-paint, calc and IE;
    and c - can see other partitions on the same disk, even if it can't write to them
    and I'll probably use it, if for no other reason than commercial games. Also, it wouldn't hurt if it took under 2 hours to install (without windows update). Is that so much to ask? All I want is built-in spyware/virus protection (it's not like they're a new phenomenon which Microsoft has never heard of), a slightly less rediculous disk requirement (call me wierd, but I don't feel that Windows should take up over a quarter of my laptop's hard drive) and to play nice with others. I understand you have a monopoly that you need to keep, because it's not like you have more money than god, but seriously, can't you mount other partitions? Even if it's read-only?

    Admitedly Linux isn't perfect, but at least I have those three things.
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  • Jason

    3 years ago

    I think where Longhorn's UI is really, really lacking is in simplicity. Every window seems to have several many"tasks" the user might want to do, and as a result it is visually overwhelming... the user is confused about what they should do. Less is more folks. Not sure if/when Microsoft will learn that, but if they were really good at copying OS X they'd know that by now. In my opinion, the Longhorn interface is worse than XP... it just assaults the viewer with options and "tasks," which is visually confusing and misleading. Just present the information in a clear and concise way, and let the user decide what they want to do. Don't assume that every time someone opens up a folder, they have no idea what they want to do and need a large list of potential tasks to complete.
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  • Alex

    3 years ago

    look at the Tiger - you'll see the difference and forget about viruses,worms.
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  • Alex K.

    3 years ago

    For those of you who are sticking with XP: look at XP (Whistler) Beta 1. Its UGLY. The final UI will probably appear in Beta 2 if not RC. This UI is actually very good for a beta.

    http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/whistler_be...
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  • David B.

    3 years ago

    Wow...well let me tell you what I think...I can download any version of Windows Longhorn to date. You all want to know the reason why I can? Microsoft wants all of you to be talking about these alpha and beta builds all you want. Think about it, when Halo 2 was released, Microsoft had a fit, and told all these downloading sites and such to yank the links to the files, otherwise legal actions would be taken. Don't you think Microsoft wants you to see all this? You really think that this is the acutal Microsoft Longhorn? That would be insanity. Why would they produce so many versions of an operating system that looks almost identical? To all of you that think that this is the final version of Longhorn, think again...
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  • Anonymous

    3 years ago

    no, no, NO. Wait. These screenshots aren't fake right?

    Its really ridiculous. I've been hearing so much about longhorn, all the kewl features, everything, but seriously, where izzit? of course I can't judge from this beta, and obviously microsoft won't want to reveal all the new features so no one goes stealing... but this is an utter disappointment.

    This had better not be for the final. If not, straight to Mac OSX I go, and maybe Linux on my second partition.
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  • 5amYan

    3 years ago

    LongWait, hehe Ready to make it's debut on the newest quantum computers...They're in beta, too.
    I understand work on it's sucessor has already begun...
    code named pipe | dream

    With cool new features like look to focus, double click cloning and featuring thoughtless telepathic input capability...Complete with pixel level Digital Rights Management- Monitor too old? no problem your porn will automatically be blurred until you upgrade to an approved monitor.

    Uh-Oh that thought is patented, you...
    Microsoft LongWait has determined this program may be hazerdous to your computer's health. Windows is terminating this program:
    Name of program: EXPLORER.EXE
    Click OK to continue

    The last bit actually happened to a WINXP SP2 box while installing a printer driver. Upon clicking OK the computer shut itsself down. Yet upon restarting the printer driver worked....

    I can't take it any more, I must tell it to the grass! "Midas has asses ears."
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  • jackslap

    3 years ago

    I have no idea what MS may present people with when they do release a complete effort, be it beta or OS. The examples of their work that have been made available and their own statements as to what they propose to include , does leave a bit to be desired. The very large backword step that was made when they stopped 4074 and what they presented with 5048, has in no way , according to their own information, been recovered. They couldn't do winfs, they dropped the side bar, and as far as I can understand from all the porting they did with a great deal of what they had in 4074. There will not be much to entice the regular user to go out and buy it on its own. Installed on a pc purchase is where they will rack up their statistics, not from any genuine desire on the users part. The rest of the attraction will only be for the power users and I do believe there w
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  • pablo906

    3 years ago

    If I'm a multi billion dollar global software company leading the Operating System market by a huge margin I'd just put all my newest features in the pre beta semi public releases so everyone that posts on web sites on the internet wouldn't complain. That the most logical business strategy I can think of. I mean why wouldn't I, being Microsoft, the most closed source Intellectual Property tyrant on the planet would just give away all my secrets. FFS people don't use their brains. They don't have the 3d GUI enabled there. That has to be enabled manually in this build and doesn't feature any effects etc. If you knew anything of longhorn and driver development you'd know that. This has nothing to show people other than it's built on the NT kernel, it is a continuation of the development from nt4 -> 2k -> xp! They announced that the next gui would be 3d in like '02. Now in '05 some specifics are coming out. And for the record the newest "revolutionary" KDE is not alot better and "cooler" than the old KDE. So no Linux has many X-Win desktops to choose from but they don't all make revolutionary strides forward that impress and awe from build to build. OSX is as always though way ahead of it's time in the desktop interface. They're OpenGL and in Tiger it's quite slick. Without the fluff and dinging it's really nice.
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  • pablo906

    3 years ago

    This desktop is in no way a reference for where Longhorn is going so quit making assumptions. It's a build release that incorporated the 3dw support (althouth minimally) for driver development. That is fact. This build wasn't made so you could know what exactly is going on with the OS so don't assume because you don't see something it's not there. WinFS is most likely dropped and they publicly said that. If you tried WinFS you'll understand why. An average pc would run horribly with WinFS enabled. Imagine SQL query for every time you opened a folder to give you details on content etc. That's an overdramatic example but should give you an idea. It would take 1GB of RAM to get decent File System performance. Relational database storage with file information is a few years off from the hardware standpoint.
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  • Geekman

    3 years ago

    all I can say is - whoa. it took, what, half a dozen missed release dates for THIS? whoa, nice beta, guys. yeah yeah a beta isn't supposed to be done... but it's supposed to be ALMOST there. that's the idea of a beta. features in place, just need to get the bugs worked out. have fun working out the bugs in the 2 weeks between when the features are solidified and when the product ships.
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  • desbest

    3 years ago

    There is nothing Longhorn(now called Vista) has that makes me wanna upgrade.
    WHAT IS THE NEW FEATURES?
    Yeah there's Avalon, Indigo, RSS, Sidebar and Internet Explorer but they already exist in old or rival softwares.
    Or they have to release Avalon, Indigo to rival with Apple's Aqua.
    Microsoft was forced to release a new os so they scrape for ideas.
    Same for WMPlayer, Anti-Spyware and IE. If it's to keep up with the times or to rival, it's crap.
    If not, it's good.
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  • Chaosdreamer

    3 years ago

    Why should Longhorn look any different than XP? besides the fact that it's built around Server 2003, can you really judge an operating system by what you see? honestly. and XP is good enough, hm? then why is microsoft starting to stop offer help and assistance with XP Home, and will stop with Pro by the end of 2006? if XP is so good, then why is Microsoft slowly trying to get away from it. The fact is, if you don't actually know the structural integrity of the OS, there isn't really much that you can diss about it.
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  • James Brown

    3 years ago

    To be honest, i dont care how it looks - i am more interested on how it works. If its like Linux - stable - i am happy...u can always make things look nice yourself at a later stage if everythings working properly.
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  • John

    3 years ago

    It's quite stupid that you evaluate the new Windows saying it's only a new wallpaper, I'm pretty sure most of you only watched the screenshots, so what do you want to find in a screenshot? Maybe Microsoft should add a button with the text "New cool features", that's the only way you think there is new stuff on it.

    Main changes are in the core of the OS and probably you will never notice them because the main use you give to the computer is post this kind of stupid comments on forums.

    Linux with totally different UI managers? Come on guys go home!!
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  • nik

    3 years ago

    aaaahahahahaha u twats u ve been arguing like idiots for like a month
    over a new XP skin . its called windows vista
    http://users.pandora.be/linkplaza/images/
    ppppffffffffff
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  • Think before you speak

    3 years ago

    I don't mean offence, but common people think before you post. This is just the first beta. It's not due out for over a year. If anyone has used a windows beta before, they know each and everyone far from shows the final product. Infact if the final product even remotely showed a comparison to the betas, i wouldn't go near it. Even the looks of windows vista will be changeing and its to early to judge microsoft. I usualy dislike the company, but they seem to be improving. I stayed with the 64bit xp for a long time while it was developed. It was horrible at first, but the betas improved slowly, and though it was delayed, it was worth the waite. Microsoft is taking time testing the systems they make now unlike before. They are listening to peoples opinions. When the final product comes out, xp will be history and no one except the closeminded people who can't change with the times will use xp. Don't be so judgemental and bash Vista. Its going to make windows xp and back look like trash. And one last note as well. Does anyone remember xp betas. Most people hated them. They were unstable and looked like crap. Vista is just begining.
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  • Anonymous

    3 years ago

    Why the f*** dont you short sighted, shallow minded morons stop critising and instead get an education and develop your own operating system. It's not going to be as easy as you obviously think it is !!!
    I'm sick to death of all you ignorant sad pathetic losers, who propably downloaded a pirated copy of Windows, and then instantly picked holes in it and decided to tell the world how crappy it is. (most of you are still using it though, aren't you?).
    Linux may be ok one day.....
    Mac.......lets not go there eh?
    So until something better comes along, lets use whatever we are individually happy with. Critisisms and suggestions for improvements should go to the software company responsible.
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  • Val1stSea Labog

    3 years ago

    Longhorn now Vista ... a prominent and more promising software so far can we tell it so. Duh!!! ever bogging down software, now shall it wouldn't? I hope so?@! Arg! Yet I proved it to be much great and Worthy! Thanks!
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  • Real Beta User

    3 years ago

    Linux haters are morons. said:
    on July 19th, 2005 at 2:48 pm


    "Give me a version of Windows that:
    a - I don't need to install 3 anti-spyware programs and 2 anti-virus programs on just to survive day-to-day use;"

    (Ok, here, with number A - One anti-spyware program only is all that needs installed, works great, called Microsoft Anti-Spyware, One virus scan, AVG Free works GREAT)

    "b - doesn't take up 11 gigs for nothing but itself, ms-paint, calc and IE;"

    (Not 11 gigs, stop over-exagerating)

    "c - can see other partitions on the same disk, even if it can't write to them
    and I'll probably use it, if for no other reason than commercial games. Also, it wouldn't hurt if it took under 2 hours to install (without windows update). Is that so much to ask? All I want is built-in spyware/virus protection (it's not like they're a new phenomenon which Microsoft has never heard of), a slightly less rediculous disk requirement (call me wierd, but I don't feel that Windows should take up over a quarter of my laptop's hard drive) and to play nice with others. I understand you have a monopoly that you need to keep, because it's not like you have more money than god, but seriously, can't you mount other partitions? Even if it's read-only?"

    And if you want it to install faster, get a new computer, and stop running in the dark ages of computing. I installed this Longhorn Beta in about 30 minutes flat!

    Like i said earlier as well, Microsoft Anti-Spyware is the best to date.

    And, oh this one made me laugh my ass off when i read it, a quarter of your hard drive space? Holy crap man, get rid of that 40 gig hard drive, (considering most commercial games as you so put it now install a few gigs of crap every game)

    Its time for you to stop bitching and whining and actually upgrade that piece of crap computer.
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  • JPLWU

    3 years ago

    Translucent= RAM KILLER....need 1 gig just to survive, not that most comps dont have it nowadays, ok, so the big advocates for Longhorn, what actually separates this from WIN XP? The new FS isnt going to be included with the first release is it? I am not knocking the OS, I just would like to know how it plans on marketing itself as a more efficient operating system, I think a lot of people are stating the upgrade theory that are used with most vehicles....if the inside is the same, with no major imporvements, then they must atleast upgrade the looks.....I would be interested in knowing about the new features....sorry I am not more updated on the progress...
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  • bïöµï¢

    3 years ago

    too many comments
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  • MasterDragon

    3 years ago

    I fully agree with those who are in favour of Longhorn! This is olny a first sight, I'v been able to test the Beta myself and I must tell you I'M HAPPY AND I'D BUY IT!

    Just so you don't think I'm a linux hater or something, i'm not, I just use both OS the same, for different purposes
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  • wade farlow

    3 years ago

    there will be so many ways to get it im almost sure youll get a copy for free, besides how much will this one cost 299 399 who knows
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  • zalzy

    3 years ago

    blahhh whiinnne blahhh whiiinnne blaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh I know this old rock quarry that's juuussstttt perrrfect to shove the lot of you whiners in and cap with a small fusion bomb. You're just pissed you didn't think about the transparent title bars and it conflicts with your MS is never clever dogma. XP may not crash not running on your chine, but is stable running on my chine.
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  • Ravi

    3 years ago

    wow, u got over 500kbps on bittorrent downloading vista. im also downloading vista from torrentspy, about 200 seeds and over 1000 peers but im only getting speeds of 10-50 kbps on 2mb broadband. What BitTorrent client are you using, im only using BitTorrent 4.4.1, BitComet sucks, for me.
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